mrtn Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 My colleague is looking to get the new Citroën Berlingo (5-seater). We have had a Berlingo panel van years ago (two generations back) and it was a shitshow. Going to see if the new one is any better. It’s significantly cheaper than the TC, about the same size. Costs about €24K fully loaded, incl. 20% VAT. It looks a bit like Honda Element and Pontiac Aztek had a baby. https://www.citroen.co.uk/new-cars-and-vans/citroen-range/new-citroen-berlingo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G B L Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 (edited) Looks interesting, i suspect Citroen has let the hypo pneumatic suspension go. If is does not have swing back doors I am out. Keep us posted if you get a test drive. Edited April 22, 2019 by G B L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrtn Posted April 22, 2019 Author Share Posted April 22, 2019 No pneumatic suspension in this price range. He picked the regular hatch with an opening glass. It can be ordered with barn doors as well. I'll keep you posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrtn Posted April 29, 2019 Author Share Posted April 29, 2019 Ordered one today. The barn doors are only available in the lowest trim level. I picked the middle one (no glass roof, HUD, backup camera, roof storage compartments). Other than that there’s pretty much everything including lane departure correction, adaptive cruise control incl. the speed limit camera, start-stop, Android Auto/Apple Carplay etc. Drives very nice, feels bigger than the TC even tho it’s about the same size. My only real concern is the weird gear selector. Come on, a regular shifter is just fine. FFS: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrtn Posted April 29, 2019 Author Share Posted April 29, 2019 Oh yeah, forgot, fuel economy in the brochure: 57 mpg hwy, 51 mpg urban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy Kilowatt Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 33 minutes ago, mrtn said: Oh yeah, forgot, fuel economy in the brochure: 57 mpg hwy, 51 mpg urban. Wow! I didn't read the brochure, I presume that's a nice little turbodiesel and imperial gallons? Hard to see how you could push a big box thru the air on that little fuel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrtn Posted April 29, 2019 Author Share Posted April 29, 2019 No I converted the liter figures to US gal. PSA and BMW are the forerunners in diesel technology. Real life figures will probably somewhat lower but we’ll see. The car will arrive in a few days. It’s a 1.5 liter engine and an 8 speed box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G B L Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 What is the Hp rating of the engine you chose? What is the trailer tow rating? Are you inclined to replace Your TC with one of these? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrtn Posted April 30, 2019 Author Share Posted April 30, 2019 130 hp, 221 torques at 1750 rpm. Can be remapped to 160+ hp easily. 1322 lbs trailer w/o brakes, 2866 lbs trailer w/brakes. The cargo van is a bit different in numbers. I can't see myself buying one for myself today, but if it turns out to be great and I could get a loaded one with barn doors then why not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herb Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 Petrol engines available — 2018 International Engine of the Year, 1.2L PureTech S&S 110 hp or 130 hp EAT8 (auto) Diesel engines available — BlueHDi range 1.5L BlueHDi S&S 75 hp, 100 hp or 130 hp BVM6 (6-speed manual) or EAT8 (auto) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G B L Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 21 hours ago, mrtn said: I can't see myself buying one for myself today, but if it turns out to be great and I could get a loaded one with barn doors then why not. I think that is reasonable. If you get the LWB does the slide door get longer like the TC or is it the same size as the SWB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrtn Posted May 1, 2019 Author Share Posted May 1, 2019 (edited) The LWB door is the same, everything rearwards is longer: Edited May 17, 2020 by mrtn pic disappeared Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrtn Posted May 4, 2019 Author Share Posted May 4, 2019 Seems like the rotary "shifter" is the new norm: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G B L Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 It will be interesting to see how it plays. Chrysler tried to sell the push button shifter for a number years here. I Still want a Steering column lock with a Key . I hope it is well put together . If you ever get it up on a lift Take some pictures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhotoAl Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 I had a Pugeot minivan in Italy on vacation a number of years ago. The shift lever for the manual transmission protruded from the dash. It was nice to drive, wife lost the key and we had to get a car - keys were in the Hertz office in Paris! I actually argued about letting her take the key as I would be going to the car in a a couple of minutes - didn't dare say "told you not to". LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G B L Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 That would have resulted in a very long ride to Paris .Life is not always the way you planed it, I am not a fan of the potential gas station drive off . Another benefit is that you are sure to get it into park before you step out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrtn Posted May 9, 2019 Author Share Posted May 9, 2019 The car was delivered today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillMartin Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 I saw a Citroen in Seattle yesterday. It was an old DS. It's the first Citroen I have seen in decades! If a Citroen like that one ever gets imported to the US, I would be interested in seeing what it's all about. But, what are the chances? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifty150 Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 1 hour ago, WillMartin said: If a Citroen like that one ever gets imported to the US, I would be interested in seeing what it's all about. I'd be interested in the new Suzuki Jimny. Looks like a lot of fun. jrm223 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrtn Posted May 14, 2019 Author Share Posted May 14, 2019 The first 1500 miles on a freeway (tavelling in Germany at the moment) say that its a good purchase. Drives really nice at 90 mph (kills the fuel economy numbers tho), very stable and plenty of torque for such a tiny engine. Transmission shifts lightning fast with the paddles. Cabin space seems much bigger then in the TC. Seating position is good, the flat floor with no center console allows moving around in the cabin. The CC stalk is a bit weird to operate. TC CC tilt key is better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrtn Posted May 26, 2019 Author Share Posted May 26, 2019 Turns out that this is the same engine/gearbox combo they have licensed to Ford for the new diesel Connect. It’s detuned to 120 hp for Ford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herb Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 On 5/1/2019 at 1:57 PM, mrtn said: The LWB door is the same, everything rearwards is longer: Looks a lot more like the current Nissan than the current TC . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G B L Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 Looks good . If you see one get a picture of one with swing doors, that would be cool. I am pretty sure that we will not get to test one any time soon, unfortunately Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrtn Posted June 2, 2019 Author Share Posted June 2, 2019 Oh yeah, that’ll probably happen soon as we’re going to get another one, this time with swing doors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G B L Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 4 hours ago, mrtn said: as we’re going to get another one, this time with swing doors Does that mean the LPG Tc going away? Do you think the smaller side door will be a minus or not really important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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