Fifty150 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Is anyone using a K&N air filter? Any feedback? Any changes in mileage, or perceived "seat of the pants" feel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zalienz Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 I'm interested to know also, but according to K&N's catalog, it fits a 2016, but not the 2017.... so I'm out of luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifty150 Posted December 26, 2018 Author Share Posted December 26, 2018 It should fit. Air filter hasn't changed. Are least I think that 2014-2018 all use the same filter. I think it's the same OEM Ford MotorCraft part no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zalienz Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Yea, what's up with that. The Motorcraft FA1910 fits a wide range of TC engine air filter Part #: FA1910 (9601) Air Cleaner Usage: 09/30/2013 - 03/11/2019, Transit/Tourneo Connect 2013-, 2.5L Duratec (110kW/150PS), (+)"CDN/PR/USA" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifty150 Posted December 26, 2018 Author Share Posted December 26, 2018 If it's the same OEM Ford Motor Company MotorCraft part number, it will work. K&N hasn't updated their info. Sometimes aftermarket parts companies don't update their information in a timely fashion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herb Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 I was baffled by the K & N filter not being listed for my 2018 also , i suppose you can call the company and ask about it. The "It should fit" & " I don't know why it wouldn't fit" comments aren't that reassuring to me lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Ridley Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 In the turbo world it seems everyone installs a "high flow" air filter. But there is serious doubt if they improve performance. Add a new air box, cold air intake, new hoses etc and the vehicle will sound different but real measurable gains on a Dyno are elusive. Only after upgrading the tune or turbo do you see real performance improvements. Install the K&N if it filters better and you want it, but don't expect more horsepower. foof and herb 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herb Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Don Ridley said: In the turbo world it seems everyone installs a "high flow" air filter. But there is serious doubt if they improve performance. Add a new air box, cold air intake, new hoses etc and the vehicle will sound different but real measurable gains on a Dyno are elusive. Only after upgrading the tune or turbo do you see real performance improvements. Install the K&N if it filters better and you want it, but don't expect more horsepower. I never believed it would make a vehicle perform better at all actually , i would only be interested if it performed as well as a regular air cleaner but with the benefit of just being able to maintain it yourself which it does allow that . I have read a lot of negative experiences with the K & N's on other forums with people saying it performs no better and often times slightly worse than other air filters with some claiming it has allowed more particles in the engine even when it's the exact fit for a specific vehicle . So i'm really up in the air about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifty150 Posted December 26, 2018 Author Share Posted December 26, 2018 No air filter, by itself, will do much of anything. A reusable may filter better. Maybe not. It's expensive enough that by the time you buy the filter, the cleaning solution, and oil, you really don't save money. A better flowing filter, an intake, a tuned exhaust, and a Dyno tune could add a little to any and every car. A turbo or supercharger adds more. You can port and polish heads, add an underdrive pulley, use electric water pumps, take out all the seats and anything which adds weight.......or spend the money on a faster car. In theory, if it works, a better flowing filter allows more air. Your mass air flow sensor will allow for the computer to adjust the fuel accordingly. At the same throttle position, more air and fuel in the combustion will produce more power. That's all in theory. If the theory works. Of course, in theory, you will also need a better flowing exhaust system. Headers, high flow catalytic converter, mandrel bends and glasspack mufflers, and a shiny chrome tip. To make a car, any car, go faster, it requires the correct combination of a lot of different parts. Changing 1 part alone will not net anything significant. If you just change the filter, your advantage is the filter. You won't have to change paper filters. I have seen some paper filters that needed replacement at every oil change interval. Your math will vary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Ridley Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Check out the Green filters as an alternative to the K&N. Some forums think they filter better due to a better filter media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifty150 Posted December 27, 2018 Author Share Posted December 27, 2018 100% filtration = ZERO air flow. Nothing can get into your motor. So where do you find the balance? The OEM factors in what is a reasonable amount of filtration vs air flow, to work efficiently in your engine. Anything which allows for more air flow, also allows for less filtration. The theory behind oiled filters is that the oiled media will trap and hold particles of debris, while allowing for more air flow. According to Mishimoto: Generally, high-performance dry filters can catch up to 99% of the incoming contaminants due to the smaller micron size of the filter media, while oiled filters catch about 98% of what passes through – a minute difference, but a difference none-the-less. Before my time, but my dad remembers when oiled filters were common, and not such an aftermarket novelty. In today's disposable world, the paper filters are more convenient. You or your mechanic can simply install a new filter. How would you like to leave your car in the shop for a few days? You or the mechanic cleans the filter, and let it dry overnight. The next day, the filter is oiled, and the oil is allowed to saturate and settle overnight. Day 3, the filter is reinstalled and your car is back on the road. Now comes the reality that you also don't know what you're doing when oiling a filter, and like most people, apply too much oil. Worry not, you can order a custom made dry filter from AFE. Back to fitment. The 2018 owners manual says that Ford MotorCraft FA-1910 is the air filter part no. The K&N Cross Reference shows MotorCraft FA-1910. It will fit. Period. You can install this filter into your 2017 and 2018. Now you will have to decide if you want to drink the Kool Aid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G B L Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 The engineers do a pretty good job sizing the air filter. The only time when the flow is compromised is when the element becomes very restricted . The Oil bath Air Cleaner is more expensive to put on the car. If it is well designed it is easy to service and maintain. It is much better than the oiled gauze K-N style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifty150 Posted December 27, 2018 Author Share Posted December 27, 2018 6 hours ago, G B L said: The Oil bath Air Cleaner is more expensive to put on the car. What car do they still make that for? And where do you find one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G B L Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 i am not sure that any production cars have them in the US any more. It would be available on industrial equipment. I would expect that you could find one as a option on a 4 wheel drive utility vehicle destined for delivery in some dessert countries. The install is harder now that they are trying to funnel the air in from out side the under hood area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifty150 Posted December 31, 2018 Author Share Posted December 31, 2018 (edited) Depending on driving conditions, your paper air filter can last for 1 oil change, or tens of thousands of miles. At 22,000 miles, I thought it was a good time. Filter didn't look that bad. But it wasn't that good. While not completely black, there was enough debris between the folds of the filter element that I felt it was time to be changed. Feathers, styrofoam, insects, and all kinds of other stuff was in the folds. Motorcraft FA1910 Air Filter Assembly by Motorcraft 4.4 out of 5 stars 13 customer reviews Share Compare: Offers for this product Offers for this product and similar products Want this product professionally installed? Book a top-rated pro directly on Amazon. Backed by our Happiness Guarantee. From $40.00 Quantity Check availability Price + Shipping Condition (Learn more) Delivery Seller Information Buying Options $17.89 New Free Two-Day Shipping: Get it Thursday, January 3. Shipping rates and return policy. Add to cartfrom seller Amazon.com and price $17.89 $20.08 & FREE Shipping New Arrives between January 7-10. Want it delivered Tuesday, January 8?Choose Expedited Shipping at checkout. Shipping rates and return policy. Auto Parts Wholesale Business Seller 5 out of 5 stars 97% positiveover the past 12 months. (13,050 total ratings) Add to cartfrom seller Auto Parts Wholesale and price $20.08 $15.09 + $5.00 shipping New Arrives between January 7-10. Want it delivered Wednesday, January 9?Choose Expedited Shipping at checkout. Shipping rates and return policy. North Jersey Discount Auto Parts Business Seller 4.5 out of 5 stars 87% positiveover the past 12 months. (566 total ratings) Add to cartfrom seller North Jersey Discount Auto Parts and price $15.09 $18.29 + $2.00 shipping New Arrives between January 7-10. Want it delivered Tuesday, January 8?Choose Expedited Shipping at checkout. Shipping rates and return policy. AutoPartsKart 4.5 out of 5 stars 89% positiveover the past 12 months. (7,300 total ratings) Add to cartfrom seller AutoPartsKart and price $18.29 $20.77 & FREE Shipping New Arrives between January 7-10. Ships from CA, United States. Shipping rates and return policy. AIMS AUTO Business Seller 4.5 out of 5 stars 91% positiveover the past 12 months. (1,714 total ratings) Add to cartfrom seller AIMS AUTO and price $20.77 $17.06 + $3.95 shipping New Arrives between January 7-10. Want it delivered Friday, January 4?Choose Two-Day Shipping at checkout. Shipping rates and return policy. Greenway Ford 4.5 out of 5 stars 93% positiveover the past 12 months. (3,604 total ratings) Add to cartfrom seller Greenway Ford and price $17.06 $21.18 & FREE Shipping New Arrives between January 8-11. Want it delivered Friday, January 4?Choose Two-Day Shipping at checkout. Shipping rates and return policy. Car Part Kings 4.5 out of 5 stars 86% positiveover the past 12 months. (10,895 total ratings) Add to cartfrom seller Car Part Kings and price $21.18 $15.52 + $6.20 shipping New Arrives between January 7-10. Ships from CA, United States. Shipping rates and return policy. AladdinAutoParts Inc. 4.5 out of 5 stars 92% positiveover the past 12 months. (1,060 total ratings) Add to cartfrom seller AladdinAutoParts Inc. and price $15.52 $22.50 & FREE Shipping New Arrives between January 7-9. Ships from IL, United States. Shipping rates and return policy. Autoplicity Business Seller 4.5 out of 5 stars 95% positiveover the past 12 months. (17,092 total ratings) Add to cartfrom seller Autoplicity and price $22.50 $23.31 & FREE Shipping New Arrives between January 4-8. Ships from WI, United States. Shipping rates and return policy. Quality Automotive Products 4.5 out of 5 stars 94% positiveover the past 12 months. (155 total ratings) Add to cart Motorcraft FA1910 Air Filter Assembly by Motorcraft 4.4 out of 5 stars 13 customer reviews Price: $17.89 Free Shipping for Prime Members Once you factor in pricing going up & down, plus tax, and retail pricing in auto supply stores.....$20 a filter. K&N is good for 1,000,000 miles. If I replace the paper filter every 10,000 miles, that is 100 filters, or = $2000. If I use 50 filters, $1000. We all know that you will probably not have your Transit Connect for 1 million miles. So adjust your math accordingly. At about $40 out the door for the K&N, which is double the cost of the paper filter, I see real world savings on the back end. I kept the paper filter to have something to use when I clean the K&N. So far, no noticeable difference. I felt no increase in power. Which is to be expected. Edited December 31, 2018 by Fifty150 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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